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"My Holy Spirit is right yours in wrong"
I had the most bizarre conversation of my life yesterday at Starbucks
Ill start off by discussing how I met the person I talked to for over 90 minutes and it could have gone for ever if I didn't need to go. About a month ago I was praying for a local Protestant church that is very anti-catholic Mars hill in Seattle. During praying the rosary I heard a voice say that I needed to go to their bible studies at their church. I signed up and went to one. Right away as I met everyone it was almost like I knew why I was called to be there. I sensed that a person I was talking to was a confirmed catholic. He was also the bible study leader. As the bible study progressed my thoughts where confirmed when the group leader said he was a confirmed catholic then he got into the occult and finally he was "saved" at mars hill. A couple of days after the bible study I called him to see if he would meet one on one because I wanted to here why he was a Christian and why he went to mars hill. Then yesterday we met at Starbucks ill briefly go into the part of our conversation that was very strange for me. Also he is extremely bright and works at Microsoft I asked him why he is a Christian His response was "the Holy Spirit confirmed it when I read the bible" I responded "last week I talked I talked to a Mormon and they said "the spirit confirmed the Book of Mormon, you both cant be right" His response "well I'm right and they are wrong" I responded "I'm a Christian because history, logic, science, and theology all point to it being true so because it is true I have no choice other to be Christian because I love and seek the truth" Then I asked "why did you pick mars hill over 38,000 different Christian choices" He responded "the spirit has guided me there because of the bible" I said "how do you know the bible is true unless you have a church to guide you as in 1 Tim 3:15, and further how do you know what books should be in the bible" I know he wasn't just playing a joke on me he also got very angry at me when I told him how great the sacraments where in my life and showed him where the Eucharist and confession was in the bible Any thoughts on this?? |
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Re: "My Holy Spirit is right yours in wrong"
comparing the morman religion "vs" a christian is incorrect
it is like comparing oranges and apples-- that being said-- really it is comparing catholic "vs" Christian Numbers 11:29 New International Version (NIV) 29 But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the Lord’s people were prophets and that the Lord would put his Spirit on them!” 1 Samuel 10 9 As Saul turned to leave Samuel, God changed Saul’s heart, and all these signs were fulfilled that day. 10 When he and his servant arrived at Gibeah, a procession of prophets met him; the Spirit of God came powerfully upon him, and he joined in their prophesying. 11 When all those who had formerly known him saw him prophesying with the prophets, they asked each other, “What is this that has happened to the son of Kish? Acts 19 “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when[a] you believed?” They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” 3 So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?” “John’s baptism,” they replied. 4 Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues[b] and prophesied. Is Saul also among the prophets?” 12 A man who lived there answered, “And who is their father?” So it became a saying: “Is Saul also among the prophets?” 13 After Saul stopped prophesying, he went to the high place. finally because you have not experienced the "new birth" or born again- or born above--that christians experience So any thing he says you will not comprehend -- because it is out side of your spiritual experience-- and your catholic religious training Romans 8 8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. 14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. 1 Corinthians 2 God’s Wisdom Revealed by the Spirit 10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ. this is why being raised and taught a catholic -- your understanding is going to be different than christians who are seeking a personal relationship with jesus with the promice of the Holy Spirit-- http://youtu.be/Oj3VphK9AMk |
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There are currently 38,000 different Protestant denominations all using sola scriptoria as their rule of faith and all claiming to be right....... Only two choices are possible one is right and 37,999 are wrong or they are all wrong...... Also I may have been baptized when i was young catholic but knew very little of the Catholic Church until I was 34 after spending 7 years at evangelical churches seeing how from a logical perspective Protestantism and sola scriptoria is set up for failure and that was what lead me to the Catholic Church |
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However, it could well be that the Spirit did lead the guy to Mars Hill but he can't express it very well. OTOH... I think you did well. Think he will meet with you again?
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Adamski, you have a lot of vigor for your faith! Keep it up!
Franlky, that your debating companion got frustrated just by the subject alone indicates that you really must have struck a chord. I pray that he seeks the Eucharist in God's time.
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I don't see where the separation is. |
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there is a educational component that is different between the belief systems, of catholic and christian this is not a debate on what you perceive as the difference of the denominations as Saint Paul said if you have the Holy Spirit you are different than those who do not have it some christians also use mark 16 15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.” i hope this has cleared up what the comparison is-- and this comparison is a reason why many people leave the catholic demonination and seek out what might be called a spirit filled denomination, or christian assembly you don't have to get defensive on this-- so you believe he 's wrong-- that in it self won;t matter to a christian who is spirit filled |
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I'm going to text him right now and ask
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the time come when those who should oblige the servant of God, do the
contrary to him, and what degree of patience and humility he has then,
that is the degree he has and no more." - St. Francis of Assisi
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it is interesting to see your miss understanding of being led by the Holy Spirit "VS" the Mormon burning in the breast wittness of the authenticity of joseph smith as a prophet they are comparing apples and oranges-- but you believe other wise-- oh well-- i don't know how well you function in the prophetic-- i lonly know of 1 roman catholic priest that has been successful as a type of evangelic teacher-- but at the moment i can't remember his name-- but he does teach , instruct and educate people in how to hear the voice of God and to walk in the fullness of the Spirit-- with signs and wonders-- but i'll get back on it-- and you can view his utube training seminar info, and make your own evaluation |